Docs & Nurses = Murderers

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by PMFB-RN PMFB-RN, RN Member Nurse

Specializes in burn ICU, SICU, ER, Trauma Rapid Response. Has 16 years experience.

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Last week, the doctors at Mercy called Anne and tried to browbeat her into letting Scott be taken off a ventilator to die. hey were going to unplug Scott Quiner from life at high noon on Thursday, and that was that. Anne’s only shot was to take things to court: The court of law, and the court of public opinion. After we had Anne on to tell her story, Mercy Hospital was barraged with what we’re told was thousands of phone calls and emails.

Scott Quiner Update: Criminal Investigation Into Doctors, How They’re KILLING, Payoffs for MURDER!

nursej22, MSN, RN

Specializes in Public Health, TB. Has 37 years experience. 2,085 Posts

Well the simple answer is just stay home and take your anti-parasitic drug and zinc, and throw in some lupus medicine. 

JBMmom, MSN, NP

Specializes in New NP Hospitalist, Critical care, Med-surg, LTC. Has 10 years experience. 4 Articles; 2,020 Posts

I'm not really sure where to go with this, whether the OP is posting this because they agree, or because they think that the premise is incorrect. 

According to the NIH website: Data on the safety and efficacy of using remdesivir in combination with corticosteroids are primarily derived from observational studies, with some (but not all) of these studies suggesting that remdesivir plus dexamethasone provides a clinical benefit for patients with COVID-19.

It is unlikely that the patient referenced was receiving no IV fluids, as his wife states. Even just the amount of fluids in the medications required for sedation and repletion of electrolytes was probably significant. The current conventional treatment related to fluid volume status is to NOT overload these patients because of the likelihood of pulmonary edema. (I don't have a reference available, but it's the current conventional wisdom in ICUs in my area) People do lose weight quickly when immobilized and critically ill. And the current visitation limitations are unfortunate, but it's not as if it was applied solely to this woman's husband.

I have been in critical care since day 1 of this pandemic. Not a single doctor or nurse that I have the privilege to work with has EVER expressed the intent to do harm to a patient. And even if one person on a care team were to have such intentions, the chance that they could develop a plan of care leading to that end without someone stepping in and raising concerns is highly unlikely, in my opinion. The fact that someone would call me a murderer, after the hands I have held so people wouldn't die alone, the last phone calls to families to speak to loved ones, the times I've spoken the last words a person ever consciously hears, is honestly infuriating. My back hurts from hauling patients around their beds, proning and unproning patients that are over 400 pounds. Ensuring that I'm turning my patients every two hours, without enough staff to ensure it's done safely for me. Providing the absolute best care that I'm capable of against a virus that has caused more death than I have seen, and people are still suspicious that I have some ulterior motive? 

Bad things happen. They're happening to unvaccinated people, and to vaccinated people. I don't treat a patient any differently based on what brings them to my ICU. I'm there to provide the most clinically competent care I can and anyone suggesting otherwise is welcome to come and walk in my shoes for a few shifts and see what we've been dealing with for almost two years. 

At some point, yes, the outcome appears to be futile. My hospital has not gotten to the point where anyone has been taken off life support without the agreement of the family. They've either coded and died, the family has agreed to CMO status and we've extubated, or their still hanging on in a miserable sort of limbo either still on a vent with ET tube, or trached and pegged. Maybe this hospital no longer had the capability to keep patients on the vent with a grave prognosis. 

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nursej22, MSN, RN

Specializes in Public Health, TB. Has 37 years experience. 2,085 Posts

I could be wrong, and I frequently am, but I think the original post was to show what kind of crazy is out there. This is just piling on health care workers who have already have PTSD. 

JBMmom, MSN, NP

Specializes in New NP Hospitalist, Critical care, Med-surg, LTC. Has 10 years experience. 4 Articles; 2,020 Posts

3 minutes ago, nursej22 said:

This is just piling on health care workers who have already have PTSD. 

I think maybe I'm getting overly sensitive / defensive with some of these stories. I just saw the headline and a longwinded emotive response sort of rambled out.....

Daisy4RN

Specializes in Travel, Home Health, Med-Surg. Has 20 years experience. 1 Article; 2,081 Posts

Unfortunately we live in a society that finds It difficult to let go of our loved ones when their time comes, so difficult that pts/families hang on way too long even when it is harming the patient. More end of life care education is needed and more MDs need to feel comfortable speaking to pts about this. It seems that the push toward “customer service” has hindered this process. (Obviously IDK the particulars of the situation posted by OP).

45 minutes ago, JBMmom said:

I think maybe I'm getting overly sensitive / defensive with some of these stories. I just saw the headline and a longwinded emotive response sort of rambled out.....

Even if you are it is certainly understandable with your work history in just the last 2 years alone! And, we all know that the pt/family baseline for expectations was way off the charts even prior to Covid. I don’t know how you (and others) do it but I thank you!!

 

MunoRN, RN

Specializes in Critical Care. Has 10 years experience. 7,827 Posts

The other coverage states he started on the ventilator on November 6th, if anything it's disappointing the hospital waited this long to declare further treatment futile.

The gist of the podcast transcript is not unusual these days however.  It used to be that the hospital would be criticized for trying to "murder" the patient by withdrawing aggressive care, now it's that we're murdering patients by treating them in the first place.

I've had family and friends of multiple patients tell me directly that I'm killing the patient because I'm treating them for Covid, with some very specific descriptions of how they plan to kill me.  

It's hard enough that these patients tend to be young, that once they get really sick we know they aren't going to get better, there are no "wins" to possibly look forward to, but the "you're going to hell" and the oddly specific death threats certainly don't help morale.

summertx

Has 7 years experience. 144 Posts

There is no way 1 nurse  can take care of 17-18 Covid positive patients and counting. There is no one else to take care of them. Why blame the one that the facility doesn't tell or inform in advance they have to work in the covid unit. It takes extra time to take care of these patients due to putting on PPE, getting coughed on, falls, feeding, inputting orders from drs, a confused dementia patient, not enough staff to even cover non covid unit.

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While not directly related to Covid, I am posting an equally valid source of medical information.

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PMFB-RN, RN

Specializes in burn ICU, SICU, ER, Trauma Rapid Response. Has 16 years experience. 5,339 Posts

On 1/19/2022 at 3:22 PM, nursej22 said:

I could be wrong, and I frequently am, but I think the original post was to show what kind of crazy is out there. This is just piling on health care workers who have already have PTSD. 

Exactly.  Nailed it.

PMFB-RN, RN

Specializes in burn ICU, SICU, ER, Trauma Rapid Response. Has 16 years experience. 5,339 Posts

On 1/19/2022 at 3:11 PM, JBMmom said:

I'm not really sure where to go with this, whether the OP is posting this because they agree, or because they think that the premise is incorrect. 

Obviously I'm dismayed at how evile these people are and showing how we are targets of evil, deranged people now.